What you think about the trench shotgun?

it seems to have been removed... .. even if the poll want to keep it

Damn!!! but but but why??? :cry: :cry:

yep i noticed too that the shotgun have been removend, and only one thing i can say " thanks god adogg, a lot of thanks" ^^

btw: the mods are ultra hiper cool!!!!! keep the good work

I just wrote a mod while wiating for my flight that adds the panzershreck as a selectable weapon ...

sooo ur removing trench shotgun and puting in panzershreck ??!?!? why would you want to do that :?: :?: :!:

Now, I changed the code to add the scoped gwhere thing ... no more panzers though ... not until we get 2 weapon selection menu AND more slots for weapons. It's currently limited to 7 on each side.

Adogg what do you think about adding that shotgun back in? It's a lot of fun in close, and it's not an uber-weapon from what I've seen... Any reason not to?

i'm ok if you go for rifles only, but i'm sure Adogg won't go for it, and the shotgun is cool to play with, and is not a super weapon, even at close range you miss alot with the speed of the server, so why not putting the little weapon back?? :roll:

i think that a scoped gewher is more unfair than a shotgun!

yes, i like the gewer becasuse you can shoot it fairly fast and its pretty powerful, but adding a scope wouldln't be a good idea :?

I think the shotgun needs another look at it, it's become useless even in close... I've hit a couple guys who are right beside me and they didn't go down. In close it should be a little more powerful.

Anyone agree? Disagree?

I've had the same thoughts .... make it much stronger but only in close range ...

exactly

Much stronger? Ouch...I mean the only other weapons that can do multi-kills in 1 shot are the panzerfaust and the nade. Nades have range but a time delay basically a fire-n-forget weapon, panzerfaust has range, bulkiness and very slow rate of fire a fire-n-forget as well. The shotgun has has lots of power up close (1 hit kill basically for 2-3 targets close together), decent kill range out to 40 meters then it loses it's umph; decent fire rate and it's not a fire-n-forget weapon,

Now I drop a nade at my feet, well, I'm dead. I fire a panzerfaust at my feet, dead again, Fire a shotgun at my feet, still unharmed. The shotgun is powerful enough as is:

1. It can kill multi targets in 1 shot.
2. Decent shot speed.
3. Not able to harm ones self with it.


I personally don't like them in COD2 but alas I am not one to take away a persons choice, but I have no qualms about placing a limit on that choice. I still say no more than 2 per side, if you decide to up the power even more than it normally is, then I say limit them to 1 per side. I've been in games recently where 80% of the opposing side had shotguns (11 out of 14 players). That's just nutso.

The shotty was wussy before, I was shooting people 3 feet away and not killing them... we bumped the power back up to normal I believe but cut down the range.

That's what that post was about.

Time to kick this debate into gear again. Read the first page of this thread for advice on the shotgun.

I know it's a lot, but it's quite the topic....eh

Like I mention before, I have no real problem with the shotgun. It is part of the game after all. I personally, like to use the kar when on germans, but sometimes use the shotgun too.

It's tiring watching people complain about it, and their reasons are always the same:

1)It takes no skill to use
2)It kills multiple people at once
3)it wasn't used in WWII
4-400)it's a n00b gun, again refer to reason number one.


well:
number 1) even if it didn't "take any skill to use" who cares? Is it that bad that someone who perhaps hasn't spent as much time playing as you kills you? Sure, it's rough getting laid out by the 'new guy' but thats no reason to flip out. If you weren't supposed to get shot, then you'd be immune. Everyone has just as much chance as killing someone in the game as everyone else. Some have played longer and developed techniques (jumping, diving, crouching, spinning, whatever) that have to be rethought. I believe it takes practice to use the shotty, and a certain amount of 'shotty skill.' To say that a first-timer could use it and go on a 100 kill rampage is absurd, and if you've been playing awhile, you know this. You get 6 shots before you have to reload, that's not much, and it takes plenty of time to load/reload each. one could also make the arguement that any of the machine guns take no skill, just run around spraying...you have to aim less typically with an auto than a shotty...just spray in front of them, or at them...as opposed to actually hitting them.

number 2) What weapon doesn't have the potential to kill 'multiple at once?' maybe the pistol, some of the rifles. We've all dove into a room plenty of times and killed 4 enemies with our 30 round machine gun before it had to be reloaded, and they didnt even have to be standing in one spot. The only way the shotty kills more than one at time, is if they're right on top of each other, practically, not moving.

number 3) I don't know what you're looking for here...realism? Saying it doesnt coincide with history isnt a valid arguement for a game. And these satements are made by those who don't know. yes, there were 'trenchguns' they arent anything new, except to the game.

numbers 4-400)OK, you repeat again that it's a "newb gun." just another attempt to trash talk someone into not using the weapon that is the number one cause of your demise. If the gun increases the "newbie's" skill that much, why don't you pick it up mister hero and show them what's what? "i don't believe in it, I use real guns" sounds like you're really saying "i've always played with X gun and thats what I know how to use" Look, your an expert, you'll figure a way around it. Oh, and let's say for a second that it is a 'newb gun, it increases your skill' well if that's the only way they can stop you...then so be it. You can't be mister hero the whole time.

another point is that those that aren't complaining, are the ones who either know how to get around the shotty, or just treat it like any other weapon, and 'out-shoot' it. It's just another choice in the game. Look at the UAN members...I almost never see one using a shotty, yet they plague the top 3 scores when they play...I don't think there's a secret...

I played a ctf game today on allies, where the whole german team used the shotgun. I'd get 3 seconds into a respawn then boom! hit in the back with a round of shot. Annoyed? yea, of course, did we lose? yea it was close. But those of you that know what you're doing, know that it's not running around shooting people that wins CTF...it's going around them and getting that flag, and being organized. By no means, do I think that the shotgun won the game. It was from strategy, timing and much lower ping.

On the other hand...how do the axis do with out the T-gun? I just played 3 games ina row where it was taken out, and each one, the axis were severly crushed. It wasn't even close. In part, due to the fact that you get 3 thompsons going in a group, that can mow people down until they are hit or reload. that changes the timing of the gameplay. If you've been playing awhile, you know what I mean by "timing." If not, pay attention to how when you or your teammates are killed. See how you can get split up and singled out, or even put right in the path of the enemy on a respawn. ANother factor is that...some people only use the shotty, that's all they know how to use succesfully, and they get reamed with anything else.

You can't please them all, some are alway going to complain no matter what. We'll all be happy I'm sure when the patch comes out. What do I thnk should be done with the trenchgun? keep it? lose it? I could honestly go either way, but i lean more towards keeping it. It's part of the game and has been for awhile, removing it would change play way too much. It's like just getting used to something and a new strategy, then having to change it again.

It's alright only if it's not used against me. But as I have always said... A weapon is a weapon. And when you think about it, they took the PPSH away from the russians because it was too powerful and a disadvantage towards the germans.

I'd say bring it back. Most of the better players don't use the shotty. German guns suck shit at the moment so they need the shotty. I have a soft spot for noobs and think its extremely childish to use that term to describe a new player. How quick we all forget what it was like when we first played this GAME!!