OK, it's time to upgrade the old PC I want to upgrade the RAM, HDD, and Video Card. VC, I think I have taken care of. xfx6600gt agp8x My power supply is 250w. Ram is pc3200 hdd is 55gb ummm, What should i do for RAM? Including voltage? (wtf is that about) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16820145575 good, bad? Yes, I use a lot of memory. I am a program/script pack rat and run multiple crap at once, you'd be surprised. Internal/external hdd? specs? I dont want to say money is no object, but I want nice stuff. 320gb at least, and I'm thinking of a 2gb RAM upgrade. Thanks oh wise ones. -E
Its hard to judge the RAM unless we know what processor/motherboard combo you have..........your choice looks ok as long is its not too much for your MB 2GB is all you need no matter how much of a memory hog you are I personally would go with a SATA150 (if MB supports it) for the HD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16822148131 Internal is my preference unless you really nead the portability (Ive got 2 x 1GB USB drives that cover all my portable needs) You should definately drop a dime on a higher rated power supply IMO (450W ) Im not as savvy as Im sure some of the guys are here but Ive built quite a few over the years Sniper69
Sniper has it about right, dont go expensive on the ram, i would get Samsung OEM 512mb pc3200....should cost you about $100 us (3x512mb) HDD will be trricky if you dont have sata capability, if you do, I would suggest getting a 160gb sata($75-100ish i think) set your current HDD as a slave and you got 220GB of freespace....suggest WD, or Seagate. 450watt PSU is a good idea...drop $50-80 on one...I suggest Antec. 6600gt, only a genius would buy one of those mid-range videocard monsters! I hear your getting the best deal you can find on it! you should be flying for roughly $350 american...thats not bad!
Ok, so I build PCs for a living right? This is what I suggest... sell your junk for whatever you can get... or... Wait till AMD's M2 comes out cause anything you buy now is about to be totally obsolete... or... Build a new box: ASUS A8N5X @ $75 AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800 @ $300 1 or 2 Patriot Signature 2GB Packs @ $160 each 2x Seagate NL35 250GB in RAID-0 @ $95 each 3D Fuzion 3DFR76256GTE Geforce 7600GT @ $170 Antec Truepower 2 550w PS @ $90.00 Thats around $985 w/ 2GB and $1150 w/ 4GB If you want to overclock, replace that X2 with an Opteron 144 Its single core but only $170 and you can OC it to 2.4GHZ+ w/air cooling. (This is from experience, not just the reviews on newegg) Do the opteron thing and you will have a badass box for around $1K Come to think of it, thats what I should have done.
The thought of buying/building a new PC has always been in the back of my mind. My plan was that the HDD and VC would come with me after I upgrade the current PC, to what ever I do a few months down the road. I am not a Hardware guy by any means, so I will not be over clocking anything, even the VC. Swapping parts is easy enough, yes. I like the sound of Dual Core cpus and I've been an Intel/nvidia user for 3 PC's now and can't complain, but I also can't ignore AMD. Let's take a hypothetical trip here. From parts; what would we be looking at for the near "latest/greatest" mobo/cpu, ram. I don't want to go nuts, but I am the kind of person who likes to get what will at least be in the top 85 percentile for the next 6 months, no doubt, and will spend a little more on the important things. I am also toying with the idea of 2 graphics cards for separate monitor. (I'd like to watch TV, say off an AllInWonder). Ahhh, much research/reading is ahead I suppose. Thank you all
Fuzion has a very good idea for anyone building from scratch, so its on you to decide what your gonna do. Im in the market for an AGP yes AGP x850xtpe....very hard to find one at the price im willing ot pay, but thats my upgrade for at least a year...i want to get into dual core, waiting for prices to drop, sli will be an adventure. LMK what you are gonna do, blc I can prolly find a diff buyer for te vid card if you decide to go PCI.
"Latest and greatest cpu/mobo" IMHO would be: ASUS A8N32-SLI (not optional) @ $200 AMD FX-60 Stock 2.6GHZ Dual Core @ $1000 Standard oc: 2.8GHZ = 200MHZ gain or AMD Opteron 180 Stock 2.4GHZ Dual Core @ $700 Standard oc: 2.8GHZ = 400MHZ gain Opterons are the shit! And here's another example: Opteron 154 Stock 2.8GHZ Single Core @ $900 Standard oc: 3.4GHZ = 600MHZ gain
ummm noob question: How is an AMD 2.6 faster than my 3 yr old 2.8 p4ht? And dont say structuring. Can I get some number comparisons? Can I run Brute force...I mean BF2? I am so out of touch with current PCs that the last time i knew anything about anything, the great discussion was "Slot 2 vs. Socket 7" oh yea, I'm a peon.
AFIK its all about the cache The low end dual core AMDs have 128K L1 and 512K L2 for each core. The high end ones (fx, etc) have 128K L1 and 1M L2 for each core. I may be wrong about each core having dedicated L1 in that case both cores share 2 L1 cache areas. This seems logical since the single core chips have 2 L1 cache areas (64K + 64K) Here is the kicker: Intel's top of the line $1K cpu (p4 extreme edition) has: L1 Cache: 24KB+32KB L2 Cache: 2 x 2MB Dual Core @ 3.7GHZ Another interesting thing is that newer P4s (skt 775) use DDR2 which is 2x faster than DDR1 which AMD uses with all of its chips. Yet the performance is still not double.. or even 25% faster. It will be interesting to see AMD's switch to a new socket and CPU type (M2) as it will use DDR2 and a 65nm process (which intel currently has) So we should see some very interesting benchmarks when it comes out. Ever since the 80's AMD has been following in Intels footsteps with new tech. Intel makes it, tests it, proves it. Then AMD adopts it, then uses it to its full capability. AMD has the fortune of having a cult like following among its customers. I for one have never owned nor do I intend to own an Intel Chip (unless they start manufacturing AMD chips hehe) Intel's low end (celeron) have awesome GHZ, 3.0+ for low $$$ but the cache level (L1 12KB+16KB L2 256KB) is appalling. Even at $75...
Pure and Utter BS. The reason why a lower numbered A64 is hells faster than a Higher numbered P4 is because INTEL LIES! Now I'll explain: Intel tests their cpu's "Dhry" meaning no load, then boasts the numbers. AMD's cpu's are tested "whet", under an OS with normal apps running. So in essence a 1.8ghz AMD will blow a 3.2ghz Intel away for fun. (which is also the reason why AMD is sueing Intel, and also why Intel was a NO-Show for the Public cpu benchmark) Secondly, cache means very little when speed is the question. Cache on die is actually overlooked when benchmarking a cpu with a non-graphic test. The speed is factored by the FSB Speed CPU -> Northbridge -> AGP and back, Multiplier, and the core speed (Normally 100 or 133). The cache only really kicks in when we start accessing the Southbridge, which resides on the BsB (Back-side bus). The southbridge, also known as the lower chipset, is responsible for the IDE, S-ATA, Audio, network, and most other on-board controllers, and on some boards, the PCI bus is also controlled by the the southbridge. Hope that helps, and sorry about the anti-intel rant, but they have lied to the public for too long. Alright, I'll shut up now. X
Quotes from anandtech.com: "The goal of CPU cache is to avoid accessing RAM, but even if the CPU only has to go to system memory 4% of the time, that 4% of the time can lower performance significantly." "the memory subsystem of the Pentium 4 was almost twice as slow as the Athlon 64 (80-90 ns versus 45-50 ns)" I had to really dig through this insanly pro-intel article to find these quotes. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showd...doc.aspx?i=2748
Well, I believe that AMDs can basically perform more instructions per clock, so therefore a high clock is not needed.
All A64's (and some Semprons) Are True 64-bit. Unlike some Intels that use Hyperthreading to "Emulate" 64-bit. FACK (un)INTEL
AMD Athlon™64 X2 3800+ Dual-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology Is this worth it? Or should I go single core 3700 or something?
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